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    As I am contemplating the purchase of a 2005 CC28, I am having trouble with the 'roll' of the 28 equipped with a hardtop and tower. I understand the tradeoff's of a deep vee with a mod vee, but can a few of the 28 owners elaborate as to what I should expect in varying sea conditions of 2-3, 3-5, 6+ foot seas with a 15 knot wind.

    Thanks for your time in posting a response.

    - Art

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    That was my post above. Thought I had logged in.

    - Art
    Bzfishn in NJ w/
    \'03 246 OPEN Crusader 5.7 MPI
    \'MISS TRISH\' - planning the move up!
    Shark River, NJ
    Art D. - <\'(((((><

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    • #3
      Art,

      As a 28 owner I have become used to the rock when beam drifting. To me, it is bearable in typical 3-4' North Atlantic sea condition. ( fairly tight 4-5 second period) Anything more than that it gets uncomfortable and for people who don't fish with me regularly, dangerous, as they have trouble standing.

      Trolling, no problem, on the hook, usually fine.

      This rocking tendancy is the tradeoff for a great ride home @ 23 knots when everyone else is running 17-18.

      Don't let this stop you from buying the best 28 out there


      Good Luck,

      Chris
      "Pelagic" 2006 Classic 32

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      • #4
        Managable w/ some care

        2-3' seas is fine - you won't feel a thing. 3-5 gets challenging at drift; using a sea anchor or drogue to get the bow towards the sea helps a lot. 3-5 is fine trolling; into the sea; obvioulsy downsea and also in the trough.

        I have spent some tough nights in the canyon's in 3-5'; the worst spot to be is in the cockpit; in the cabin your down below - wave slap is annoying; sleeping at the helm station is actually surprisingly comfortable as its in the center of gravity for the boat and stays in place. The poor guy chunking off the stern is going to get tossed and sprayed; I find its best to sit on the step down from the helm on centerline and be as centered to the boat's roll as possible.

        Drifting in 6' seas or more - no thanks; sea anchor is a necessity as you don't want to be beam to a breaking 6 footer. Running in 6 footers is surprisingly good; the boat will stay in the water at 18 or 19 knots in a headsea and if you can run in the trough; like previously said - you'll make a surprisingly comfortable 23-24 knots on the way home.

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        • #5
          I think the above posts are correct about comfort. Even in my fathers 31 shamrock, anything above 4-5' is not fun but I think this is the case in any boat in this size range.Even in that Henriques you are looking at it would not be comfortable but at least you wont be 3" shorter when you get home.

          Thats my opinion and I'm stickin to it.

          Not that it's worth anything.
          Life is to short for an ugly boat

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          2015 Enclosed Helm 35
          Tom

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          • #6
            Roll...

            Art:

            I have not had any complaints on my boat about the snap/roll issue but we do not drift all that much.

            If you are concerned about angler/passenger stability in the cockpit area where there is not much to keep a hand on, you should be aware of the fact that the gunnels on the 28 are low. If you are not particularly tall and are reasonably mobile, the gunnel height is not bad. For taller, less mobile (say older guys) individuals, having the combing pads hit you at knee level can mean fear of falling overboard as the boat rolls.

            My Dad has some trouble in this respect and we will likely add a custom rail along the gunnels this winter.
            Steve on Reel Screamer
            2004 Carolina Classic 28

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            • #7
              Hey Art, when are you going down to the factory?
              If you are going this month could you take some digital pics of my boat for me? I think it should be finished in early April.
              Life is to short for an ugly boat

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              Tom

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              • #8
                Thanks for the PM Art. Just let me know when you are going. The boat will be there but I don't know if it will be finished. I don't think it will be yet but real close.
                Life is to short for an ugly boat

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                Tom

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                • #9
                  snap roll

                  are you also seeing this with the 32 and 35CC? I am curious to know if the larger hulls notice this as much. the Bertram snap and roll phenomenon seems to be more pronounced on the 28 than some of the others from what I have read.

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                  • #10
                    When I am on the hook or on the sea anchor I have rigged a 5 gallon bucket with 3 or 4 pounds of lead in the bottom of it and thrown them overboard tied to each stern cleat. This has helped tremendously I really want to try the magna roll stoppers but they are expensive.

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                    • #11
                      When I'm drifting and the roll starts to feel uncomfortable, I throw out my small (8 ft.) sea anchor. I tie it to one of the rear cleats and it stops the boat from drifting beam to the seas. The sea anchor also dampens the roll. When I bought the sea anchor, my wife thought it was just another useless gadget. The first time I tried it, it was only out for 15 minutes and my wife dubbed it the "miracle machine." It really does reduce the roll. It does not help a lot when the wind and/or the tide are slack, like on a day with there are residual ocean swells, but no wind and light currents. I highly recommend having one aboard.
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                      Art. . .

                      Fine Catch
                      1999 28 Carolina Classic
                      Cummins 4bta's
                      Sandy Hook & Raritan Bay area

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                      • #12
                        I Have a 28 with only the hardtop (no tower). The boat does roll when drifting. The only time it was really uncomfortable and borderline unsafe was when I was fishing with my son and we both hooked up at the same time. This meant I had to leave the wheel and tend to one of the rods and this left the boat to the mercy of the waves and the rips in the area. Usually, I have another person on board and can stay on the wheel to keep the boat more bow into the waves while the other two people take care of the rods. In the latter case, the boat can be very well controlled.
                        By way of comparison, in the past I had a 33 Bertram flybridge and if you tried to just let the boat drift in those conditions and weren't holding on tightly, you could nearly be thrown off the bridge.
                        As others have said, the ability of this boat to run at speed through such conditions is well worth the tradeoff and again comparing it to the Bertram, it is every bit the Bert's equal when running.

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